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lirvilas
31st Dec 2015, 10:00 AM

Enough flashbacks. Time to conclude this field trip.

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ProfEtheric
31st Dec 2015, 10:07 AM

That cheating bastard...

Lying scum...

Prick...

Yes, SOMEONE needs to do something to get him out of here... :P'

(EDIT: FIRST!!!!!)

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anonymous coward
31st Dec 2015, 10:40 AM

It is my experience that the only rich people that aren't lying, cheating, *greedy* scum are the feckless ones born as heirs and heiresses. If you're aware that you were just expressing an anarchist sentiment there then I salute you, brother anarchist!

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ProfEtheric
31st Dec 2015, 10:56 AM

I am fully aware of the sociopolitical leanings of my statement, brother. I am an anarchopacifist.

I'm sure lirv could testify to my anarchist and occasionally communist views.

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lirvilas
31st Dec 2015, 7:19 PM

This is why "AC" stays anonymous... because y'all are being monitored and documented.

And a lack of wealth doesn't somehow bestow a halo of selflessness and compassion upon y'all drunken and braying masses.

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anonymous coward
1st Jan 2016, 11:44 AM

Eh, it's really insurance reasons but anonymity does help avoid social problems from daring to talk about politics at work. Remember, never speak of politics, religion or class/money issues unless you're either talking to someone that's a good enough friend it wouldn't be an issue, or if instead it's someone you can afford to piss off.

You are right that an absence of wealth/power doesn't even necessarily mean that the person so deprived isn't a greedy, selfish, cheating liar him-or-herself, let alone make a statement about the rest of a person's character.

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anonymous coward
31st Dec 2015, 10:46 AM

Let's see, I've already shared the pocket flipping table, what do I share next?
Oh yes, machine intelligences haven't managed to finish systematizing their traversing and application of the possibility decision tree playing Go yet. If you're disappointed by the fact that folks who barely understand European notation can win by feeding a computer program the moves then try that game. If you do decide to take up Go, keep in mind that the 9x9 game is vastly different from the 17x17 game, it's not just a longer game.

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lirvilas
2nd Jan 2016, 10:04 PM

Seriously, they don't have a program that can beat everybody at Go? Why would that be any more difficult than a chess-automaton?

Am looking forward to your response, however it'll be upwards of a week before I see it.

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anonymous coward
3rd Jan 2016, 9:28 AM

The short answer is that Go is a more complicated game.
There are programs capable of playing Go, at reasonably high levels, but highly skilled humans are still better because the game has two sets of difficulties that make it very difficult for computer programs to do well at it. The first set of problems is just that the number of different possible board positions in Go on a 17x17 board, and the number of different moves capable of making all those different board positions, is just so much larger than the number of possible games of chess that computers can't yet map them all out. Computers playing Chess at high levels used to be limited by the same problem until they just brute-force increased the memory, processor power and software capability of Deep Blue until they had mapped out every possible rules-valid game of chess. We're not there yet with Go.
The second set of problems is more complicated, where the the way that capture works inherently tends to cause play which loops back and forth between different positions leading back to the same moves and positions over and over. There are two rules to stop that getting out of hand, 'Ko,' and, 'Super Ko,' which work but also significantly complicate playing the game by making it possible that there are different forbidden moves for the exact same board position depending on how the game got to that position.

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Zanreo
31st Dec 2015, 11:48 AM

Table flipping is always a way to solve your problems...

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lirvilas
31st Dec 2015, 7:19 PM

It's a metaphor, right?

Heh.

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Rd Ashes
31st Dec 2015, 1:23 PM

wow, somehow this actually surprised me.
I guess I should have seen it coming though.

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lirvilas
31st Dec 2015, 7:21 PM

What, that the South African supergenius is an evil, megalomaniac bastard? Or that Prof would take umbrage at me calling out half his cast for what they are?

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Call Me Tom
31st Dec 2015, 1:53 PM

Elliot looks so menicing in that second to last panel!

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lirvilas
31st Dec 2015, 7:22 PM

Well, he's certainly not about to "hug it out" with his young opponent.

Also: I want my jacket back.

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Call Me Tom
1st Jan 2016, 12:12 AM

clarification needed I'm I to take that last request seriously?

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lirvilas
1st Jan 2016, 12:55 AM

It's a Burton snowboarding jacket, and it's not in the closet where I left it--oh, wait, you're talking about the MSV thing? No, I don't think anybody wants that garment back anytime soon.

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sigpig
31st Dec 2015, 11:04 PM

"If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough"...

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lirvilas
1st Jan 2016, 10:57 AM

Exactly!

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MadJak91
21st Jan 2016, 1:11 AM

NO :Y

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lirvilas
21st Jan 2016, 6:01 AM

Aaaaand if you look closely enough, you'll see how I apply this IRL.

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Stever
1st Jan 2016, 11:42 PM

I'm used to people flipping the board when they loose, but when they win. That's impressive. XD

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anonymous coward
2nd Jan 2016, 5:47 AM

I drink your chessboard?

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lirvilas
2nd Jan 2016, 10:02 PM

Drinking chess... where each piece corresponds to some ethanol-laced concoction and pawn sacrifice costs you a shot of beer... thank god I never played that drinking game.

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anonymous coward
3rd Jan 2016, 8:26 AM

I was making fun of an infamous movie line actually, but thinking about your hypothetical it sounds... messy. I don't know if there's ever been a study on the matter but most chess players I've personally met tended to be skinny folks who aren't so athletic, and most of them weren't alcoholics either. So, unless you tweaked your chess drinking game to be gentle on lightweights I foresee it leading to vomit, stomach pumping, alcohol poisoning and people retreating in fear, disgust and horror.

I would be similarly apprehensive about strip chess, for comparable reasons.

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lirvilas
2nd Jan 2016, 10:01 PM

Nothing beats a sour winner!

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MadJak91
21st Jan 2016, 1:12 AM

Maybe but I am for results gained by skill. Always helped.
And it feels better, I guess.

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lirvilas
21st Jan 2016, 5:50 AM

Maliciousness is its own sort of skill.

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